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REGULAR MEETING - ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS Proceedings had and Testimony taken in the matter of the ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, at City of Novi, 45175 West Ten Mile Road, Novi, Michigan, on Tuesday, May 8, 2012 BOARD MEMBERS ALSO PRESENT: REPORTED BY: 1 Novi, Michigan. 2 Tuesday, May 8, 2012 3 7:00 p.m. 4 ** ** ** 5 CHAIRMAN IBE: Good evening. 6 Welcome to the May 8th, 2012 Zoning Board of 7 Appeals meeting for the City of Novi. 8 Can we please all rise and say the 9 Pledge of Allegiance. Member Krieger, please lead 10 us. 11 (Pledge of Allegiance recited.) 12 CHAIRMAN IBE: Ms. Pawlowski, will 13 you please call the roll. 14 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Gedeon? 15 MR. GEDEON: Here. 16 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Gerblick, 17 absent, excused. 18 Member Ghannam? 19 MR. GHANNAM: Here. 20 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Chairman Ibe? 21 CHAIRMAN IBE: Present. 22 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Krieger? 23 MS. KRIEGER: Here. 24 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Sanghvi? 25 MR. SANGHVI: Here.
4 1 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Skelcy, 2 absent, excused. 3 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you. We're 4 now going to go over the public hearing 5 rules. First let me ask that everyone who 6 has a cellphone or electronic device, please 7 turn it off at this time. Thank you. 8 The public hearing -- the Novi Zoning 9 Board of Appeals is empowered to have hearings 10 under the Charter, and for those who seek 11 variances under the Novi Zoning Ordinance. 12 It takes a vote of at least four members 13 to approve an application. Today we do not have a 14 full board, but we do have a quorum to carry on 15 with the meeting. 16 Now, all decisions that will be made 17 today will be final, so if at some point those who 18 have a case before this Board feel that you need 19 to have a full board, in order to hear your case, 20 please let us know when you come up, so that if 21 you wish to continue or table your case, that way 22 we can entertain it at that time. 23 Are there any changes to the agenda? 24 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Yes. Case No. 3, 25 which is known as is ZBA 12-016, has asked to
5 1 be tabled until the June 12th meeting. 2 CHAIRMAN IBE: Very well. To the 3 City, do you think we should have this during 4 the beginning or when the case is called? 5 MR. SCHULTZ: Now when you approve 6 the agenda, just approve it without Case No. 7 3. 8 CHAIRMAN IBE: Very well. Thank 9 you so much. 10 Is there any other changes to the agenda 11 other than what has been raised by Ms. Pawlowski? 12 MR. BOULARD: No, sir. 13 MR. GHANNAM: I'll go ahead and 14 move to approve the agenda minus a Item No. 15 3. 16 CHAIRMAN IBE: Very well. Can I 17 get a second? 18 MR. SANGHVI: Second. 19 CHAIRMAN IBE: All those in favor 20 of approving the agenda say aye. 21 THE BOARD: Aye. 22 CHAIRMAN IBE: All those against? 23 Seeing none, the agenda is approved. 24 And what about the minutes from the 25 April 10 meeting? Are there any changes to the
6 1 minutes? 2 MR. BOULARD: No changes. 3 MS. KRIEGER: I move to approve the 4 minutes. 5 CHAIRMAN IBE: One minute, please. 6 Sorry. On page four, line 22, the word 7 second should be seeking, s-e-e-k-i-n-g. 8 Are there any additional changes? 9 Seeing none, can I get a motion? 10 MR. SANGHVI: Make a motion to 11 approve the minutes as amended. 12 MS. KRIEGER: Second. 13 CHAIRMAN IBE: Can we please take a 14 voice vote. All those in favor say aye. 15 THE BOARD: Aye. 16 CHAIRMAN IBE: All those against? 17 Seeing none, the minutes is hereby approved. 18 We are going to move to the public 19 remarks section of the meeting at this time. 20 Other than those who have cases here 21 present before this board today, is there anyone 22 in the audience who would like to make a public 23 remark at this time? 24 Seeing none, I will close the public 25 remarks section and move to the first case before
7 1 the Board today. 2 And the first case is case No. 12-014, 3 2012 West Lake Drive. Will the applicant please 4 come to the podium. 5 When you do come to the podium, please 6 kindly spell your name for the reporter. And if 7 you're not an attorney, please raise your right 8 hand and be sworn in by our secretary. 9 MR. ATTO: Before I state my name 10 or after? 11 CHAIRMAN IBE: State your name 12 first. 13 MR. ATTO: My name is Richard Atto 14 and that is spelled A-t-t-o. 15 MS. KRIEGER: In Case No. 12-014, 16 2012 West Lake Drive, do you swear to tell 17 the truth in this case? 18 MR. ATTO: Yes, I do. 19 CHAIRMAN IBE: Go ahead, sir. 20 MR. ATTO: I have made an 21 application for a variance for a side yard 22 setback variance, also for a front yard 23 setback variance and also for a percentage of 24 lot coverage. 25 What we have here is we have these -- a
8 1 series of very extremely narrow lots, which makes 2 it not only difficult, but almost impossible to 3 construct a legal single family residence, which 4 the properties are zoned for, and without 5 obtaining a variance because the lots are so 6 narrow and it would not leave enough building 7 envelope to be able to move on. 8 So we have requested -- we laid out, 9 first of all, although the lot is under contract, 10 and -- with myself as general contractor, and I'm 11 the applicant, I'm actually -- I have a client, 12 the Skemanskis (ph) Mr. and Mrs. Skemanski, Dr. 13 and Mrs. Skemanski that are going to live here. 14 So it's not a speculative type variance, 15 it's a specific variance for a family that has 16 other family members that live on the lake 17 currently, and there is a possibility that in the 18 future, you know, the parents may live here, and 19 there is a first floor bedroom. 20 And the reason I bring these points up 21 is because, you know, there is certain minimum 22 standards that you need, so we try to compress the 23 building envelope as much as possible and minimize 24 the amount of the variance that we are requesting, 25 but again, because the lot is so narrow, getting
9 1 done within five feet of each property line and 2 then as a result of that, it increases the lot 3 coverage. 4 So what we're requesting is these 5 variances that I stated, you know, it's a very 6 modest two-story house with a minimum size depth 7 in the garage, absolute minimum width for the 8 rooms, and there is an existing structure that's a 9 higher degree of non-conformance that we are 10 planning to remove in its entirety and start over 11 again. 12 We also have a letter here, I'm not sure 13 if the Board has seen, from a couple of the 14 neighbors on each side, saying that there is no 15 objections. 16 And if anybody has any specific 17 questions, I will try to answer them, if I can. 18 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you very much, 19 sir. 20 MR. ATTO: Thank you. 21 CHAIRMAN IBE: Is there anybody in 22 the public who would like to make a comment 23 on this particular case, please raise your 24 hand. 25 Please come to the podium and state your
10 1 name, and if are not an attorney, please raise 2 your right and be sworn in. Also please remember 3 to spell your name for the reporter. 4 MS. AMES: Hello. My name is Carol 5 Ames, A-m-e-s. 6 CHAIRMAN IBE: Can we also get your 7 address, please. 8 MS. AMES: 2011 West Lake, Novi. 9 MS. KRIEGER: In Case No. 12-014, 10 2012 West Lake Drive, do you swear to tell 11 the truth in this case? 12 MS. AMES: Yes. 13 CHAIRMAN IBE: Please go ahead. 14 MS. AMES: So I live just north of 15 where this intended building is to be 16 constructed, the home, and I have no 17 objections to it. I just wanted to voice 18 that. 19 CHAIRMAN IBE: Well, thank you. Do 20 we have any other comments from anyone in the 21 public? 22 Well, seeing none, I will ask the 23 secretary to please read any correspondence that 24 we have. 25 MS. KRIEGER: In ZBA 12-014, 45
11 1 were mailed, two were returned, no responses 2 for this application. 3 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you. Now I'm 4 going to turn to the City. Do you have any 5 comments regarding this case? 6 MR. BOULARD: Nothing to add. 7 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you. I'm 8 going to open this up to the Board now for 9 discussion. 10 Member Gedeon? 11 MR. GEDEON: I'm just going to go 12 out and say this looks fine to me. We see 13 these lake lots a lot, they are very skinny, 14 and the fact that the neighbors are not 15 objecting, I think says a lot, so I'm fine 16 with this. 17 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you, Member 18 Gedeon. 19 Yes, Member Sanghvi? 20 MR. SANGHVI: Thank you, Mr. Chair. 21 I went and looked at the property, and 22 considering the circumstances and the size of 23 the lot and the shape and the location, I 24 have no problem approving his request. Thank 25 you.
12 1 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you. Yes, 2 Member Krieger? 3 MS. KRIEGER: I agree with the 4 previous members, and then if the applicant 5 has the letters, if he wanted to give that to 6 our -- Mr. Boulard afterwards, that would be 7 fine. 8 MR. ATTO: Okay. 9 MR. GHANNAM: I will just make a 10 comment, too. I also have no problem. I 11 appreciate the attempts at minimizing your 12 proposed variances, given the nature of the 13 building, and the size of the lot, so that's 14 your job. I think you have accomplished it 15 in this case. I have no problem supporting 16 it either. 17 MR. ATTO: Thank you. 18 CHAIRMAN IBE: Very well. It 19 appears that the Board seems to be in 20 agreement. Can we get a motion? 21 MR. GHANNAM: I'll go ahead and 22 make a motion. 23 In Case No. 12-014, to approve the 24 variances as requested. There are unique 25 circumstances and physical conditions of the
13 1 property, not due to the applicant's personal or 2 economic difficult. The need is not self-created 3 given the nature of the lot. Strict compliance 4 with regulations governing the area setbacks and 5 so forth will unreasonably prevent the property 6 owner from using the property for permitted 7 purpose. 8 The requested variance is the minimum 9 variance necessary to do substantial justice to 10 the applicant, as well as the other property 11 owners in the district, and the requested variance 12 will not cause any adverse impact on surrounding 13 property, property values or use or enjoyment of 14 the properties in the neighborhood or zoning 15 district. 16 MS. KRIEGER: Second. 17 CHAIRMAN IBE: All right. 18 Ms. Pawlowski, could you please call the 19 roll. 20 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Gedeon? 21 MR. GEDEON: Yes. 22 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Ghannam? 23 MR. GHANNAM: Yes. 24 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Chairman Ibe? 25 CHAIRMAN IBE: Yes.
14 1 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Krieger? 2 MS. KRIEGER: Yes. 3 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Sanghvi? 4 MR. SANGHVI: Yes. 5 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Motion passes five 6 to zero. 7 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you. 8 MR. ATTO: Thank you very much. 9 CHAIRMAN IBE: Congratulations. 10 We will go to the next case on our 11 agenda. That's Case No. 12-015, 45605 Nine Mile. 12 Will the applicant please come to the 13 podium. Sir, please state your name as well as 14 your address and spell your name for the reporter. 15 If you're not an attorney, please raise your right 16 hand to be sworn. 17 MR. CIZMGA: My name is Defrim 18 D-e-f-r-i-m. 19 MS. KRIEGER: In Case No. 12-015, 20 at 45605 Nine Mile Road, do you swear to tell 21 the truth in this case? 22 MR. CIZMGA: Yes. 23 CHAIRMAN IBE: Proceed. 24 MR. CIZMGA: I'm a new resident in 25 Novi. I just live by Nine Mile Road, if
15 1 anybody see the house, it's still under 2 construction. 3 I own a trucking company and, you know, 4 the economy everything is being, we tried to use 5 the house for an office. 6 By being a trucking company, must have 7 some requests by UCSBP, Custom, US Custom Border 8 Protection, and CBSA, Canadian Border Service 9 Agency. 10 In our house we keep all the computers, 11 seals, everything got to do with the high tech 12 because we cross the bridge all the time. We just 13 go from Mexico to Canada, and we keep all the 14 stuff, all the bills, everything. 15 But this request, I am trying to 16 build -- I want to -- I need to build a fence in 17 the front of the house. There is no fence, with a 18 steel, more security fence. 19 If you drive all around the front, is 20 limestone, there is no concrete. Everybody know 21 about the concrete during the time, decorate. The 22 gate is a (inaudible). It is a nice one. I think 23 the wall on the front is no more than four feet, 24 and the gate it's not going to be more than six 25 feet in the front.
16 1 I know we got some complaint about the 2 city because you got to have more than two acres 3 to build a fence in the front of the house. I'm 4 going to try to build as nice as they look. That 5 is why I am here. 6 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you. Do we 7 have anyone in the public who would like to 8 make a comment regarding this particular 9 case? 10 Well, seeing none, I will direct my 11 attention to the City. Does the City have any 12 comment regarding this particular case? 13 MR. BOULARD: Nothing additional. 14 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you, very 15 much, sir. I will go now open it up to our 16 secretary, please read into the record any 17 correspondence. 18 MS. KRIEGER: In Case No. 12-015, 19 28 were mailed, returned one, zero approvals, 20 one objection. 21 MR. CIZMGA: Excuse me -- 22 CHAIRMAN IBE: Sir -- 23 MS. KRIEGER: I'm just reading the 24 correspondence. 25 This is Carl and Lina Ladish. They
17 1 are -- my wife and I are the owner of 22359 Anna 2 Maria Court, which is located adjacent to 45605 3 Nine Mile Road. We have reviewed the requested 4 variance and current photographs of the property. 5 We object to the MC Carrier Ink plant to -- 6 surrounding the house at 45605 Nine Mile Road with 7 a high masonry wall, which is capitalized, and 8 further install a capitalized seven foot gate and 9 a wall in front of the property. 10 We don't believe a masonry wall 11 qualifies as a fence or that fences should even be 12 allowed in the front yards. 13 Therefore, we believe that Novi should 14 strictly enforce the rules associated with the 15 appearance of residential property and not grant 16 the variance requested. We have owned our home in 17 Novi for more than ten years now. We appreciate 18 the openness of the areas surrounding the houses 19 in Novi. The large lots and lack of fences has a 20 very nice appearance. I especially appreciate 21 that Novi protects the wetland areas and requires 22 them to be left natural. We occasionally see deer 23 and other animals in the wetland between our house 24 and the house at 45605 Nine Mile Road. Keeping 25 the area natural gives a pleasant impression of
18 1 the neighborhoods, and we don't believe that Novi 2 should allow this to be change. We don't believe 3 Novi should allow any houses to have fences in the 4 front yard. We further don't believe that Novi 5 should allow any of the houses to be surrounded by 6 a masonry wall, especially next to a natural 7 wetland area which exists next to 45605 Nine Mile 8 Road. We wouldn't object to a real fence in the 9 backyard. 10 In accordance with the ordinances, we 11 don't understand why the owner needs a masonry 12 wall around the house or even a fence in front of 13 the house. We hope that Novi will reject the 14 requested variance and enforce the appropriate 15 ordinances. We are currently out of the country 16 and will not return until June 9th, however, we do 17 have a Novi telephone number that rings in our 18 residence in Indonesia. That number should anyone 19 desire to contact us is -- should I read the 20 number? 21 MR. SCHULTZ: No. 22 MS. KRIEGER: There is currently an 23 11 hour time difference. Any mail can be 24 sent to their Morgate Street Novi address and 25 it will be forwarded to them. Sincerely,
19 1 Carl Ladish. That's it. 2 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you, Madam 3 Secretary. I'd just now like to open it up 4 the conversation with the Board, please. 5 MR. GHANNAM: Sir, in all honesty, 6 I have reviewed your application, and I 7 cannot support it. I will tell you why. 8 First of all, one of the basis of -- one 9 of the things you have to illustrate to the Board 10 is that, you know, if you don't get this type 11 variance, it may prevent you from using this 12 property for a permitted purpose, which is a home. 13 Novi has its ordinances regarding fences 14 and so forth. To me, I have been up and down that 15 road many, many times. This a very nice area of 16 Novi. I don't think it's characteristic to the 17 neighborhood. 18 I understand the writer's comments and 19 frustrations, but even without regard to that -- I 20 understand you're trying to do a business. I 21 don't know whether you can do it in your house or 22 not, or based out of your house or not. I don't 23 know those details, but I would be opposed just 24 because I don't think it's characteristic for the 25 neighborhood.
20 1 I think certainly you would be able to 2 use it as a house, even if you didn't get this 3 variance. 4 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you. Do I 5 have other any other comments? Yes, Member 6 Sanghvi? 7 MR. SANGHVI: Has anybody ever 8 driven through your yard before? 9 MR. CIZMGA: Yes. I got people 10 coming. If anybody gets in the house, nobody 11 knows it's my car, it's your car, somebody 12 else's car. They do whatever, we know 13 everyone. 14 If I going to have the fence in the 15 front, if somebody park in front of the fence, 16 everybody know because nobody park their cars in 17 front of the fence. That's the reason why. 18 I mean, we living in the city, we got to 19 play by the rules. 20 I mean, I think the city is about 200 21 people, this one doesn't make any difference, 22 but -- maybe I'm trying to make it as nice as we 23 can, so we can be nice for the city, putting those 24 comments -- this cost a lot of money. No one 25 going to spend money to put something in a house.
21 1 MR. SANGHVI: You have already 2 started work on the fence? I visited your 3 place. Have you started the work on the 4 fence already? 5 MR. CIZMGA: On the back. 6 MR. SANGHVI: On your property, 7 have you started work on the fence already? 8 MR. CIZMGA: On the front of the 9 house or on the back of the house? 10 MR. SANGHVI: When I came around to 11 see your property, I thought they had already 12 started working. 13 MR. CIZMGA: No, no. The only 14 thing, I'm just working on the back. The one 15 I got is just (inaudible). Is the city going 16 to agree to do that, I'm going to do it, if 17 not, I'm going to leave it the way it is. 18 I'm not going to do anything else. 19 Because the house is more up. It's a 20 ranch house, no matter what, they got to do some 21 more in the front, because the dirt doesn't go all 22 the way down. The one I'm working is the back 23 one, I'm not doing anything on the front. 24 MR. SANGHVI: I cannot support the 25 application. Thank you.
22 1 CHAIRMAN IBE: Do we have any 2 additional comments? Member Krieger? 3 MS. KRIEGER: Can you explain again 4 the reason why you prefer a masonry fence 5 versus a regular decorative fence? Why so 6 high? 7 MR. CIZMGA: I don't think so, it's 8 so high in the front. It's only four feet. 9 You can see on the front, it's only four 10 feet. It's just columns. It's limestone. 11 It's limestone on the bottom, limestone on 12 the top. It's just four feet, four feet -- 13 (inaudible). 14 The reason why I just like a nice fence, 15 it because nobody can drive the car and stop the 16 car. Nobody knows it's my car, your car, somebody 17 else car. If somebody stop in front of the gate, 18 this means not my car, because nobody stop in 19 front of car, that's the reason why. 20 And the gate is about $17,000, no one 21 going to spend $17,000 just to put something nice 22 on the house. It's just go around, you going to 23 cost me at least one 150,000. I don't think so, 24 only $150,000, it's just to make the house nice. 25 That's the reason why -- $75, just one
23 1 column, $200, $300,000 -- I mean, a column. It's 2 just kind of expensive, not because I want to do 3 it, I just want to find something, I want to make 4 something nice that everybody cross that side 5 makes city more valuable. That's the reason why. 6 I don't think somebody going to spend $200,000 for 7 the wall in front of the house. It's just the 8 foot is about 42, everything is comply. 9 But if you guys not going to approve it, 10 I mean, nothing I can do about it, but I'm trying 11 to make it as nice as I can. 12 Here's the reason why, it's a lot of 13 money, I don't want to spend it, but getting 14 this -- this is the reason why. It's not concrete 15 or whatever. 16 MS. KRIEGER: To the city, 17 question. On the other homes that are on 18 Nine Mile, are there any other fences of that 19 nature? 20 And the homes that are on Nine Mile, 21 have there been any reports of -- for the 22 destruction of property? 23 MR. BOULARD: I'm not aware of any 24 reports for destruction of property. 25 MR. CIZMGA: On the back of my
24 1 house -- 2 CHAIRMAN IBE: Sir -- 3 MR. BOULARD: Like I said, I'm not 4 aware, but I would not necessarily see those 5 reports if they came in. I could certainly 6 check with the police, but I don't have that 7 information. 8 With regard to the other fences on Nine 9 Mile, there may be one property on the south side 10 of Nine Mile which is larger two acres, the farm 11 house, I believe that may have a fence in the 12 front yard. That's the one that I can think of 13 off the top of my head. 14 MS. KRIEGER: But this house, I 15 have seen it requesting for buried masonry, 16 is concrete as well, so that it wouldn't 17 impact the drainage of rainwater and -- 18 MR. BOULARD: What's installed now 19 is the fence where it's allowed is partially 20 installed around the rear of the property and 21 up to the -- basically up to the house. 22 In the case of front yard what is there 23 now is -- the petitioner has installed basically a 24 landscape wall, which could form the base for the 25 fence, if it's approved, that the drainage and so
25 1 on has been dealt with through a land improvement 2 permit, and so that issue has been reviewed by our 3 engineers and he's made -- he's taken measures to 4 deal with the drainage, whether the fence is built 5 on top of that load wall or not. 6 So that issue is going to be there 7 either way, and it's been resolved. 8 MS. KRIEGER: Thank you. Those are 9 my questions right now. 10 CHAIRMAN IBE: Sir, I have a few 11 comments and questions for you as well. 12 It's your property, is this property in 13 a subdivision or is it stand alone? 14 MR. CIZMGA: There is no 15 subdivision. It is right on Nine Mile. 16 CHAIRMAN IBE: I'm sure based on 17 what you hear from the members, you see that 18 if we cast a vote right now, you may not get 19 your wish today. 20 Now, I'm not saying that you should go 21 by what I'm telling you, but I'm only trying to 22 make a suggestion to you. 23 If you want, we can table this for when 24 we have a full board, or if you desire, we can go 25 ahead and have the vote today, you know, based on
26 1 what you would like, sir. 2 MR. CIZMGA: I mean, if I -- I 3 spent a lot of money for that house and 4 doesn't matter if full members you guys here. 5 If you don't agree, it's fine. I live in 6 Novi, you live in Novi, if not, I leave it at 7 that. 8 I agree what with whatever you guys 9 going to make it. It's not going make a 10 difference on me. I'm going to go back to the 11 State or government say, hey, I cannot do this 12 because City of Novi doesn't let me do that. 13 Truly doesn't matter. Whatever you guys decide, I 14 agree about. 15 CHAIRMAN IBE: Sir, let me ask you 16 a question. In your packet, you try to 17 address the prodigal difficulty of your -- 18 about your case. 19 You stated that you run your business 20 from home, and it appears, when I read your 21 concern going that someone is going to come and 22 steal something, your information technology, is 23 that what you're afraid of? 24 MR. CIZMGA: We hold seal, the high 25 tech seal. Every time you cross border, you
27 1 got to put high tech seal on the front of 2 truck. I cannot leave it somewhere else. 3 Now, those high tech seals, you got the 4 computer system, if somebody steal a computer 5 system, we can take the truck from here, send it 6 back to Canada, who's (inaudible) or somebody 7 going to take to Mexico across the border to 8 Canada. Who is going to deal with that. 9 Now, on my house, I got cameras, high 10 tech security, I got all this because I got the 11 compliance. I spend about $200,000 on the cameras 12 and high tech security. 13 Now, I'm trying to build a fence. The 14 reason why I try to build the fence as high as I 15 can, I'm spending a lot of money, everybody wants 16 it, no one want to spend $200,000 on a fence, just 17 to comply with CBPA or USCBP, they going to come 18 check it, hey, we got a computer here, cameras, 19 everything, everything I said. You got the gates, 20 whatever you guys want, this is either way. 21 You guys -- if you're not going to 22 approve it, I'm going to go back to the 23 government, get the paperwork, the City of Novi, 24 they don't agree. Just like I don't want spend -- 25 no one wants to spend $200,000. I don't want to
28 1 do it. 2 CHAIRMAN IBE: Sir, let me ask you 3 this. Let's assume you don't run your 4 business from your house, that you had an 5 office, will you be required to fence your 6 office up? 7 MR. CIZMGA: Yes. You got the 8 request, for every parts of the truck, 9 whatever you do with this, they call it 10 custom partnership against the CPBA. You got 11 to do all fences, all cameras, everything, 12 it's a government thing. 13 CHAIRMAN IBE: Does the government 14 know you run a business from your house? 15 MR. CIZMGA: Yes. This is located 16 on -- my address is the business, my house. 17 CHAIRMAN IBE: The government 18 insists that you fence up your house because 19 of the sensitivity of your business? 20 MR. CIZMGA: I mean, they not going 21 to push me to do something, spend $200,000 on 22 this, but if something going to happen, who 23 is going to be responsible. My name is going 24 to be on there. They're going to come here, 25 say, you know what, you didn't do that, do
29 1 that, they going to count all the points, 2 one, two, three, four, five six. They going 3 to end up, hey -- you know, somebody have to 4 be blamed for whatever happened. 5 CHAIRMAN IBE: Sir, my position is 6 in line with the other members. I will tell 7 you for two reasons. 8 One, I don't believe you have met your 9 prodigal difficulty, that is not a good reason. 10 Second, this is self-created. It's not 11 something that you have to really do because you 12 have an option, sir. Since you can get an office 13 and fence it up, and I think that works better 14 than your home because the home doesn't comply 15 with the ordinance that we have in the city, so I 16 will be voting against it, if a vote is cast as 17 well today. Okay. 18 Do we have any additional comments? Can 19 we please -- if there is no other comments, 20 entertain a motion. 21 MR. GEDEON: I will propose a 22 motion to deny. 23 In Case No. 12-015, 45605 Nine Mile 24 Road, I move to deny the motion as requested 25 because there are no unique circumstances or
30 1 physical conditions to the property that would 2 necessitate the variance, and the request is based 3 only on the applicant's personal and business 4 needs. Strict compliance with the government 5 regulations, area setback, frontage, height, bulk 6 density and other dimensional requirements will 7 not unreasonably prevent the property owner from 8 using the property for a permitted purpose, 9 specifically, use as a single family home. 10 The requested variance is greater than 11 the variance necessary to do substantial justice 12 to the applicant. And the requested variance will 13 cause an adverse impact on surrounding properties. 14 MR. GHANNAM: I'll second that. 15 CHAIRMAN IBE: Seeing that a motion 16 has been made and seconded, do we have any 17 further discussion? 18 Seeing none, Ms. Pawlowski, please call 19 the roll. 20 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Gedeon? 21 MR. GEDEON: Yes. 22 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Ghannam? 23 MR. GHANNAM: Yes. 24 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Chairman Ibe? 25 CHAIRMAN IBE: Yes.
31 1 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Krieger? 2 MS. KRIEGER: Yes. 3 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Sanghvi? 4 MR. SANGHVI: Yes. 5 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Motion passes five 6 to zero. 7 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you, sir. 8 Your application has been denied. 9 MR. CIZMGA: Thank you. 10 CHAIRMAN IBE: We will move onto 11 the next item on the agenda, which is Case 12 No., 12-017, 1953 West Lake Drive. 13 Will the applicant please come to the 14 podium, state your name, your address, and also 15 please spell your name for the reporter. 16 MR. ROBERTSON: Darrell Robertson, 17 D-a-r-r-e-l-l, R-o-b-e-r-t-s-o-n. 18 MS. KRIEGER: In Case No. 12-017, 19 1953 West Lake Drive, do you swear to tell 20 the truth in this case? 21 MR. ROBERTSON: I do. 22 CHAIRMAN IBE: Please go ahead, 23 sir. 24 MR. ROBERTSON: Good evening. So 25 I, too, own -- just purchased a lakefront
32 1 home with a narrow lot, 31 feet wide. 2 I have many of the same concerns that 3 the first gentleman did. So I'm seeking a 4 variance of seven feet wide on the -- seven feet 5 on the north side and 12 feet variance on the 6 south side, an additional lot coverage of 7 17.5 percent. 8 The challenge with the property on those 9 lakefront homes is they're very narrow. What I'm 10 seeking to build is an additional two-car garage 11 on the front of the home. 12 The existing home was -- had a single 13 car garage, that is in very delapidated state and 14 I would like to remove that structure, and then 15 forward a new structure on top of -- the back of 16 the home. 17 One of the first things I would like to 18 identify is the survey identified in 1913, 19 indicated the property was 30.4 feet wide and 20 124 feet deep. The property is actually 30.4 feet 21 wide and 187 deep. And we saw that through 22 property changes, I guess in 1945. 23 So it makes an impact to the overall lot 24 coverage variance of 17.5, calculated on the legal 25 description of the lot to actually 5 percent of
33 1 the actual lot size as it is today. But the math 2 was calculated on the legal description. 3 So the current requirements, or the 4 setback, what I'm looking for, will maintain more 5 than the 30 feet minimum from the drive of the 6 road allowance, it will be 40 feet from the road 7 allowance to the front of the garage, just over 40 8 feet. 9 And homes -- many homes in the same 10 street are looking -- or have the same type of 11 variances, approximately three feet on either 12 side, three to five feet on the either side, and 13 many of them are actually closer to the front and 14 this structure that I purchased, I will say it is 15 one of the less well-kept in the neighborhood, and 16 I would like to bring it up to at least a standard 17 that is greater than the norm in the neighborhood 18 and to improve the property values and take away 19 some of the eyesore that was currently that single 20 car structure at the front of the home. 21 I don't know if this will show up under 22 here or not. If you wish, I made 13 copies, if 23 anybody wishes to see some pictures of this, the 24 house that I purchased and the neighboring houses 25 to show similar homes with similar variances, nice
34 1 facades on the front and similar structures that 2 I'm looking for. 3 I don't know if anybody would wish to 4 see that. 5 Before I -- even before I closed on the 6 house, my immediate neighbor to the left as you're 7 looking at the house, asked me what my plans were 8 for the single car garage up front, which is 9 leaking and delapidated, as he was actually going 10 to paint the structure himself, if it wasn't -- 11 the house was not sold. So it kind of gives you 12 an idea how the place looks currently, the single 13 car garage. 14 The other thing is, the new structure 15 will actually allow homes across the street to 16 have more visible view of the lakefront, reducing 17 the tall single car garage to a lower elevation 18 and setting it back to the house will actually 19 provide a better viewpoint. 20 Other than adding property value, or 21 positive impact to property value, I think that's 22 what I have to add. 23 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you, sir. Is 24 there anyone in the public who would like to 25 make a comment on this particular case?
35 1 Well, seeing none, I will ask our 2 secretary to please read into the record any 3 correspondence. 4 MS. KRIEGER: In Case No. 12-017, 5 38 were mailed, two returns, zero responses. 6 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you. I will 7 now turn to the city. Any comments in this 8 particular case? 9 MR. BOULARD: Nothing to add. I 10 will stand by for questions. 11 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you. I will 12 now open it up for discussion for the Board. 13 Who would like to -- 14 MR. GHANNAM: I just have a couple 15 of questions, sir. On the large sheet, looks 16 like 11 by 17, where -- a layout of the 17 building structure, there is an area where 18 there is a three foot distance between your 19 house and the adjacent property line. 20 Why is that bowed out so much at that 21 point, it says new entrance, but why is that bowed 22 out so much? 23 MR. ROBERTSON: Many of the homes 24 in the area, I will just call them square, 25 rectangular shaped homes. They don't have
36 1 any esthetic value, they don't -- to my 2 opinion, don't look well from the front 3 drive. 4 I would like to be able to build a 5 walkway up to a front entrance door that just out 6 a little bit, so that you can see, rather than a 7 69 foot long rectangular box at 22 feet wide. So 8 there is a modified front entrance. 9 MR. GHANNAM: Your current plans 10 are to tear down the existing garage and then 11 build the bonus room and new garage, correct? 12 MR. ROBERTSON: Yes, the existing 13 garage is at the street front, and that will 14 be removed, and then build this adjacent or 15 attached. 16 MR. GHANNAM: All right. I 17 understand the need for a garage, we have had 18 other cases over the years come with garages. 19 We are in Michigan, you have inclement 20 weather in the winters. I have no problem as 21 far as the bonus room, as long as no issues 22 with the city in terms of structure and 23 compliance. 24 One of the things I was -- you know, we 25 had asked about before would be access by fire
37 1 department so forth, I don't think what those 2 rules are and how this particular structure would 3 affect access to the back, or the rear of the 4 home, anything like that, do you have any 5 comments? 6 MR. BOULARD: The request is not 7 atypical in terms of the requests that you 8 have seen. 9 The one that would happen here is once 10 you get within a certain proximity to the property 11 lines, there is additional requirements in terms 12 of fire rating, limitations on openings so that 13 houses are protected from their immediate adjacent 14 neighbors and so forth. 15 So those requirements would come into 16 play and those would be reviewed at the time that 17 the building permits were reviewed. 18 MR. GHANNAM: That's just in use of 19 the materials, correct? 20 MR. BOULARD: Correct. Use of 21 materials and also having -- reducing the 22 chance that one building is going to set the 23 adjacent building on fire. 24 MR. GHANNAM: But there is no issue 25 with access to the rear, fire department,
38 1 anything like that? 2 MR. BOULARD: No. 3 MR. GHANNAM: Okay. With that in 4 mind, I understand the need for your -- you 5 know, your variances, and again, given the 6 unique circumstances of lake lots, such as 7 this one, I have no problem. Thank you, sir. 8 MR. ROBERTSON: One other comment. 9 Two lots down is a double wide vacant lot, so 10 access would be available. 11 MR. GHANNAM: Yeah, but it may not 12 always be vacant, so -- 13 MR. ROBERTSON: It's a city owned 14 lot. 15 MR. GHANNAM: I understand you 16 point. Thank you. 17 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you. Do we 18 have any -- yes, Member Sanghvi? 19 MR. SANGHVI: It looks like in 99 20 years you have gained about 62 feet. 21 MR. ROBERTSON: Yes, I got little 22 lucky. 23 MR. SANGHVI: The water has receded 24 that much? 25 MR. ROBERTSON: I think the
39 1 original -- 2 MR. SANGHVI: I can see how it can 3 happen, such a huge difference -- 4 MR. ROBERTSON: I think the 5 original subdivision, we went back in the 6 city's logs here, and before 1945 and after 7 1936, that property got bigger. I'm not 8 sure -- I think the house was build in '45. 9 MR. SANGHVI: You have nothing to 10 lose in that. 11 MR. ROBERTSON: I did okay. 12 MR. SANGHVI: I came and saw your 13 place the other day. I have no problem 14 supporting your application. Thank you. 15 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you. Do we 16 have any other comments or discussion? 17 Well, seeing none, I will entertain a 18 motion. 19 MS. KRIEGER: In Case No. 12-017, 20 1953 West Lake Drive, I move to approve their 21 requested variances. That there are unique 22 circumstances and physical conditions of the 23 property that is particularly narrow and 24 shallow in shape and topography, and where 25 the water is at on Walled Lake. And that the
40 1 need for variance is not due to the 2 applicant's personal or economic difficulty. 3 It is not self-created. The strict 4 compliance with regulation governing setback, 5 frontage, height, bulk, density or other 6 dimensional requirements will unreasonably 7 prevent the property owner from using the 8 property for a permitted purpose, or will 9 render conformity with those regulations 10 unnecessarily burdensome. 11 That the requested variance is the 12 minimum variance necessary to do substantial 13 justice to the applicant, as to other property 14 owners in the district by removal of the garage 15 and the plan is esthetically pleasing for the 16 home. 17 The requested variance will not cause an 18 adverse impact on surrounding properties, will 19 increase the value of the surrounding property, 20 property values and the use and enjoyment of the 21 property in the neighborhood and zoning district. 22 MR. SANGHVI: Second. 23 CHAIRMAN IBE: Seeing a motion and 24 a second, do we have any further discussion? 25 Seeing none, Ms. Pawlowski, please call
41 1 the roll. 2 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Gedeon? 3 MR. GEDEON: Yes. 4 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Ghannam? 5 MR. GHANNAM: Yes. 6 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Chairman Ibe? 7 CHAIRMAN IBE: Yes. 8 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Krieger? 9 MS. KRIEGER: Yes. 10 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Sanghvi? 11 MR. SANGHVI: Yes. 12 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Motion passes five 13 to zero. 14 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you and 15 congratulations. 16 MR. ROBERTSON: Thank you. 17 CHAIRMAN IBE: That will bring us 18 to our next case, Case No. 12-018, parcel 19 5022-17-326-005. 20 Will the applicant please come to the 21 podium. 22 When you come to the podium, please 23 state your name and address, also please spell 24 your name for the reporter. Thank you. 25 MR. PILIGIAN: Chris Piligian,
42 1 P-i-l-i-g-i-a-n. 2 CHAIRMAN IBE: If you are not an 3 attorney, please raise right hand and be 4 sworn in. 5 MR. PILIGIAN: Sure. 6 MS. KRIEGER: In Case No., 12-018, 7 parcel 5022-17-226-005, do you swear or 8 affirm to tell the truth in this case? 9 MR. PILIGIAN: Absolutely. Do you 10 want to swear him? 11 CHAIRMAN IBE: Yes, if he's going 12 to testify. 13 MR. PILIGIAN: Yes. 14 CHAIRMAN IBE: Go ahead. 15 MR. KAMMANN: My name is Ed 16 Kammann, last name is spelled K-a-m-m-a-n-n. 17 And I lease the property at 47760 Grand River 18 Avenue in the West Market Square development. 19 MS. KRIEGER: Are you an attorney? 20 MR. KAMMANN: No. 21 MS. KRIEGER: Do you also swear or 22 affirm to tell the truth in this case? 23 MR. KAMMANN: Yes. 24 MS. KRIEGER: Thank you. 25 CHAIRMAN IBE: Gentlemen, please
43 1 proceed. 2 MR. PILIGIAN: Thanks for hearing 3 us. What we are here for today is to get a 4 variance for a sign that we -- that I 5 installed without a variance. I apologize 6 for that. 7 I wasn't aware that I needed a variance 8 to put this sign here. The reason -- couple 9 reasons for the sign. We have had this shopping 10 center here now for close to ten years, and I 11 had -- I am -- we are the landlord and manage the 12 property for our other partners. 13 Over the last ten years I have heard 14 complaints about -- that's why the tenant is here, 15 too, they can't see -- once people get into the 16 property, they have a difficult time finding their 17 particular space, or lease space, due to the 18 unique shapeness of the building because it's an L 19 shape and kind of jets back, you can't quite see 20 the tenants in the back. 21 So after listening to tenants complain 22 over the years, I thought it would be nice to put 23 up a sign in the landscape part of the property. 24 It serves as two-fold reason also. 25 That's the main thoroughfare as you come down the
44 1 driveway. And it also serves as a stop sign. 2 People -- even though there is a stop sign there, 3 not everybody always stops, so when they get to 4 this particular sign, they tend to slow down, 5 stop, read the sign, and, you know, meander their 6 way through at a more cautious speed, if you will. 7 So, you know -- but tenants could use 8 the sign. I don't think they -- no one really 9 benefits anything financially from the sign. It's 10 there for helping them, directing them into the 11 property. 12 You can't see it from the road. You got 13 to all the way into -- all the way into the 14 property. 15 For me it serves as a safety, it slows 16 people down. 17 I don't have much more to offer. Do you 18 have anything to offer? 19 MR. KAMMANN: I own the Wild Birds 20 Unlimited franchise located at 47760 21 Grand River. We have been open since August 22 of 2010. And, you know, we are just looking 23 for any way to communicate to -- particularly 24 people that come into the complex to be able 25 to help locate our building, our location.
45 1 Frequently we have customers calling, wanting 2 to know where we are located. I can describe 3 that fairly well from saying we are between 4 Home Depot and Kroger, but if even once you 5 get up there, it's kind of weird, kind of set 6 back in the corner. It's really hard to 7 find, so that sign helps, in my mind anyways, 8 helps direct people towards our business. 9 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you. Is there 10 anyone in the public who would like to make 11 any comments regarding this particular case? 12 Well, seeing none, I will ask the 13 secretary to please read into the record any 14 correspondence. 15 MS. KRIEGER: In Case No. 12-018, 16 25 were mailed, three returned, three 17 approvals, zero objections. 18 The first one is, of course, the sign is 19 okay, it's not even on city property. There 20 should be a large monument sign on Grand River for 21 the businesses. Customers cannot see stores that 22 are set back. Why is the City of Novi so 23 anti-retail business. Their sign ordinances are 24 ridiculous. You should be more like the beautiful 25 City of Brighton. Their signage is great for
46 1 their stores. That is from Tom Welch on 2 Grand River. 3 The next one is from Wild Birds 4 Unlimited. Wild Birds Unlimited fully supports 5 the newly installed sign that lists the tenants 6 located at the West Market Square development. 7 There is not any signage on Grand River Avenue or 8 Beck Road that identifies West Market Square as a 9 retail development with tenants, other than the 10 big box stores whose signs are visible from a 11 great distance. 12 Our store is set too far back from 13 Grand River Avenue for potential customers to see 14 our store sign. People visiting Kroger are not 15 able to see our sign from the Kroger parking area. 16 Customers using the Home Depot parking area are at 17 least 100 yards from our store sign and may see 18 our sign only by chance. The new tenant roster 19 sign that has been placed at the end of the main 20 entrance from Grand River Avenue at least gives 21 the people entering the development a chance to 22 know about the small retailers located there. 23 Many visitors to Wild Birds Unlimited are 24 surprised when told that we have been open almost 25 three years. Many of these people are regular
47 1 shoppers at Kroger and had no idea that our store 2 was in the development. Our regular customers 3 frequently ask how our business is doing, they 4 want us to be successful. We tell them that the 5 biggest challenge is getting people into the store 6 for the first time. We believe the tenant roster 7 sign will be a help in letting potential customers 8 know that we are open for business. 9 And the third one is from Lee B. Yu 10 China King. We are tenants and we receive many 11 customers, phone calls asking us about location 12 because they didn't know the north side or west 13 side. Shopping center is big. They are very hard 14 to find without the sign. We are very happy to 15 have the sign. We really need that. We hope we 16 can keep the sign in the shopping center. 17 And that's the last one. Thank you. 18 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you. I will 19 now turn to the city for any comments? 20 MR. BOULARD: Nothing to add, sir. 21 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you. Well, we 22 will now open this up for discussion for the 23 Board. Yes, Member Gedeon? 24 MR. GEDEON: I don't have a problem 25 with the sign. I think it makes a lot of
48 1 sense given the shape of the shopping center, 2 and the fact that it's -- I mean, it really 3 only serves -- you know, only noticed by 4 people that are already in the shopping 5 center. It's not obtrusive from the road. 6 You know, I think that it makes a lot of 7 sense. 8 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you, Member 9 Gedeon. Yes, Member Sanghvi? 10 MR. SANGHVI: Thank you, Mr. Chair. 11 I have no problem with the sign, but I'm not 12 so sure about whether it is the correct 13 location for it. 14 I don't want to tell you how to do your 15 business, but it is very hard until you come right 16 inside, you can't know what is where. 17 But I think it would be better off near 18 the traffic light and the main entranceway to the 19 parking lot, further along the Grand River sign, 20 relocate the sign somewhere else. 21 But as it is, I have no problem with the 22 sign itself. Thank you. 23 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you, Member 24 Sanghvi. 25 Yes, Member Krieger?
49 1 MS. KRIEGER: I agree that that 2 corner with all the other smaller businesses 3 besides the big box companies need attention 4 to their area. And I would agree to them 5 having their sign. I would just -- when I go 6 in there, the only thing is, if they could 7 make a three-way stop because people coming 8 and looking at the sign, I can imagine them 9 honking their horns. Then they are going 10 through there. 11 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you. Yes, 12 Member Ghannam? 13 MR. GHANNAM: I have a question for 14 the city. If a variance is granted, does 15 that mean that they can theoretically place 16 it on any part of the premises? 17 MR. SCHULTZ: For this location, 18 where it -- 19 MR. GHANNAM: It's only for this 20 location shown. 21 MR. SCHULTZ: At this point unless 22 the Board or the applicant wants to talk 23 about it some more. Probably would require a 24 different application. 25 MR. GHANNAM: Sir, I'm --
50 1 gentlemen, I should say, I'm very hesitant 2 about this one. Not that I'm offended by it 3 by any means, but just first of all, I don't 4 think it really adds to this particular 5 center. I can see Wild Birds even from the 6 angle that you gave us, as well as China 7 King, the two supporters that you have. 8 I understand the difficulty of shopping 9 centers having multiple tenants, especially in -- 10 you know, bookmarked by two major retailers, such 11 as Kroger and Home Depot. 12 So again, I'm -- I was very borderline, 13 but in the end, you know, given the size, given 14 the nature, given the location, I will support it. 15 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you, Member 16 Ghannam. 17 Do we have any additional comments or 18 questions regarding this case? 19 Seeing none, I will entertain a motion 20 at this time. Yes, Member Gedeon. 21 MR. GEDEON: In Case 12-018, parcel 22 5022-17-226-005, I move to accept the request 23 as the -- accept the variance as requested. 24 The request is based on circumstances or 25 features that are exceptional and unique to
51 1 the property and do not result in conditions 2 that exist generally in the city or that are 3 self-created, specifically the shape of the 4 building, prevents visibility of some of the 5 businesses from the primary driveway to the 6 shopping center. 7 Failure to grant relief will 8 unreasonably prevent or limit the use of the 9 property and will result in substantially more 10 than a mere inconvenience or inability to attain a 11 higher economic or financial return. 12 The grant of relief will not result in a 13 use of structure that is incompatible with or 14 unreasonably interferes with adjacent or 15 surrounding properties or will result in 16 substantial justice being done to both the 17 applicant and the adjacent surrounding properties 18 and it is not inconsistent with the spirit of the 19 ordinance. 20 MR. SANGHVI: Second. 21 CHAIRMAN IBE: Given that the 22 motion has been made and seconded, we have 23 any further discussion? 24 MS. KRIEGER: Just A comment, that 25 for the West Market Square, that the sign --
52 1 if the businesses come and go that they 2 can -- what's on this sign in this area, will 3 they be able to change? 4 MR. GEDEON: I would accept that 5 amendment. And I will further clarify that 6 the variance is specifically for the sign 7 that's currently in existence in the location 8 where it currently exists. 9 MR. SANGHVI: I agree. 10 CHAIRMAN IBE: Great. Seeing a 11 motion has been made and seconded, will you 12 please, Ms. Pawlowski, please call the roll. 13 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Gedeon? 14 MS. KRIEGER: Yes. 15 CHAIRMAN IBE: Member Ghannam? 16 MR. GHANNAM: Yes. 17 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Chairman Ibe? 18 CHAIRMAN IBE: Yes. 19 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Krieger? 20 MS. KRIEGER: Yes. 21 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Member Sanghvi? 22 MR. SANGHVI: Yes. 23 MS. PAWLOWSKI: Motion passes five 24 to zero. 25 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you.
53 1 Congratulations. 2 MR. KAMMANN: Thank you very much. 3 I'd like to invite you all over our store, 4 Wild Birds Unlimited. 5 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you, sir. 6 Do we have any additional -- 7 MR. BOULARD: If I made might add, 8 I just want to mention if you would be so 9 kind as to flip the packets for the third 10 request in your folders, we can use them for 11 next time. Thank you. 12 CHAIRMAN IBE: Thank you. Do we 13 have any other matters to discuss other 14 than -- well, seeing none, do we have a 15 motion to -- 16 MR. SANGHVI: May I make motion to 17 adjourn, Mr. Chair. 18 MR. GHANNAM: Second. 19 CHAIRMAN IBE: A motion has been 20 made and seconded. All those in favor say 21 aye. 22 THE BOARD: Aye. 23 CHAIRMAN IBE: All those against? 24 Motion carries and the meeting is adjourned. 25 (The meeting was adjourned at 7:55 p.m.)
54 1 STATE OF MICHIGAN ) 2 ) ss. 3 COUNTY OF OAKLAND ) 4 I, Jennifer L. Wall, Notary Public within and for the 5 County of Oakland, State of Michigan, do hereby certify that the 6 hearing above, that the statements given by said individuals was 7 stenographically recorded in the presence of myself and others, 8 afterward transcribed by computer under my personal supervision, 9 and that the said statements are a full, true and correct 10 transcript of the statements given by the individuals. 11 I further certify that I am not connected by blood or 12 marriage with any of the parties or their attorneys, and that I 13 am not an employee of any of them, nor financially interested in 14 the action. 15 IN WITNESS THEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand at the 16 City of Walled Lake, County of Oakland, State of Michigan. 17 18 19 ________________ _________________________ Date Jennifer L. Wall CSR-4183 20 Oakland County, Michigan My Commission Expires 11/12/15 21 22 23 24 25
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